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'"And then my father could have, if I was coaching him, could have said, "Oh, that's such a relief, but now that means they can sue," I think it was the Washington Post or New York Times or something, "That means they should sue for writing something that isn't true."

Steven Hassan: Right. And I would have been, "Yeah, thanks for the tip. I'll go back." And then I would have gone back to the leader and then my father go follow it up. "So what was the lawsuit filed? I'd like to see it." And he could have kept it going. It really would have created dissonance and it really could have made me stop and think. And then that we could have gotten the proof that there was an M16 gun factory. " Steve, you said that your leader said they don't have it now, you know, they do it doesn't sound that trustworthy. Can you really trust that person?"'

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